It's Not My Usual Post, Because Most Of The Time I Have Just Rebloging Something, But I Hope It Starting

It's not my usual post, because most of the time I have just rebloging something, but I hope it starting the era where I will sharing my thoughts about some certain topics , anyway happy birthday to my A - yao

It's Not My Usual Post, Because Most Of The Time I Have Just Rebloging Something, But I Hope It Starting

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1 month ago

Song lan: For 24 hours all crimes are legal , what crimes will you be commiting?

Xue yang: none, because they are now legal

Song lan: listen here, you little shit


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1 month ago
Dragon Xichen And His A-Yao 💛

Dragon Xichen and his A-Yao 💛

Spirited away redraw

3 weeks ago

jin guangyao for all his brains and schemes is not immune to the sunk cost fallacy

3 months ago

Jiang cheng: People out here having threesomes and I ain't even having twosomes

Nie huaisang: And that's way they call you handsome


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5 months ago

That's so noe

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5 months ago

Xicheng

you can always tell when a ship exists solely because they were the only two remaining characters left and the ship always sucks

6 months ago

Vanoé: A Love Confession in Sheep's Clothing

People on Twitter where discussing the possibility of VanoĂ© ever being “canon” and since this was something I was going to work on for the video essay, anyway, I thought why not post about it on tumblr and get people’s feedback, first.

My argument here is fairly simple: I don’t think that VanoĂ© will be canon-canon (as in Kiss, kiss, fall in love), which is mostly due to the Japanese publishing landscape and my inability to think that anything casually homosexual happening outside of BL/GL genres would actually be confirmed. (I believe in MochiJun, I really do, I just do not believe in Japanese publishers.)

But I think that NoĂ© realizing his love for Vanitas isn’t out of the question.

I’d like to refer back to a previous post I made in which I discussed Noé’s question about “love” and the usage of ai/koi in Japanese language. Put very briefly, I mentioned that there are two words for “love” in Japanese, ai and koi. Whereas ai has an encompassing meaning like romantic love, familial love, friendship love etc. koi is usually exclusively used for romantic love (i.e. love in which sexual desire is involved, for all my allo readers).

In the ball scene, NoĂ© very explicitly enquires about the latter. He doesn’t want Vanitas to give him a run-down on “love” but an explanation on what it feels like to be in love with someone. There is no mistaking that question for anything but NoĂ© bluntly asking Vanitas about clarification on romantic feelings.

Another thing I mentioned in that post that will be important here is how love confessions are usually phrased in Japanese. Yes, yes, “aishiteiru” exists, but people rarely use it and even in media it comes off feeling weirdly
strong. It is often used when translating Western media, as far as I know, but it’s rarely used in media that was originally written/produced in Japanese.

People would just stick to “suki” or “daisuki” which, yes, can be used to tell someone you like them platonically as much as to tell them that you have a major crush on them. It’s often used for comedic purposes, as well and can sometimes be confusing.

And it’s the word NoĂ© uses to tell Vanitas that he “really doesn’t like him”.

In this post I will argue that Noé’s consistent affirmation that he doesn’t like Vanitas is actually just a love confession in reverse. Rather, I’d argue that it’s a clever set-up that will require a payoff in the later course of the story.

As far as I recall, there are three of these “reverse love confessions” coming from NoĂ©. The first one happens right in Chapter 2 when Vanitas presses NoĂ© for the reason why he doesn’t want to work with him.

The scene is a pretty obvious parody of Shƍjo manga confessions, or at least scenes in which Shƍjo protagonists realize that their feelings are of a romantic nature. I mean, here we have NoĂ©, recalling every single interaction he’s had with Vanitas so far (which, aren’t that many) and in his mind’s eye he flips through Vanitas’ various faces and expressions. It’s MochiJun playing with our expectations and building tension for an amazing punchline. It’s a great set-up of their future relationship, too. This reluctance to be together that somehow turns into an unlikely companionship. (The panel setup always reminds me of the Ganbare, Nakamura-kun cover/meme, if I am being honest.)

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

Do I think NoĂ© is being delusional here? Kind of. I wouldn’t go as far as saying that he has actually developed a crush on Vanitas and doesn’t know how to place the feeling so he misinterprets it as disgust. (There’s sth weirdly queer about that, but I digress.) Of course, it could be that NoĂ© has actually just misunderstood his fascination with Vanitas as infatuation. But I would believe him here when he says that he doesn’t find Vanitas agreeable to be around and thus would rather keep his distance.

Maybe he is misjudging his own feelings here. But I think he might just be genuine. 

The second time he feels the need to tell Vanitas just how much he doesn’t like him is the Bell Tower Scene, ironically.

The Bell Tower Scene is such a grand turning point in their relationship that it does warrant capital letters. I don’t know how much of a turning point it really is for Vanitas, because, Vanitas, from the very beginning, has wanted to be around NoĂ©. He does argue with him a lot and voice a lot of his irritation with NoĂ© and Noé’s unwavering optimism and naivetĂ©. But there is not anything that would make me believe he genuinely dislikes NoĂ©. 

It's later revealed that, probably, the reason he was sulking at the beginning of this scene was because he was angry at NoĂ© for having protected him from Lord Ruthven at the ball. Those feelings are born from Vanitas’ self-loathing, I’d argue, rather than him worrying about NoĂ©, but I would still think that the latter played a part in how fed-up he was with NoĂ© here.

But NoĂ©, on the other hand, has had a hard time wrapping his head around his feelings for Vanitas. Vanitas, to him, is an enigma. NoĂ© doesn’t hide the fact that he hasn’t got a single clue what Vanitas is thinking or what the inner workings of the younger look like. The Masquerade is the momentum that makes NoĂ© reflect on his opinion on Vanitas. He himself says that he put Vanitas on a pedestal, of sorts, and put all his hopes, aspirations and wishes in Vanitas. I’d say you could go so far as to say that NoĂ© even idolized Vanitas as this ideal savior that was going to accomplish everything NoĂ© couldn’t.

But he comes to realize that Vanitas isn’t that. That Vanitas is trying his best to fulfill a goal he set himself even if it means facing self-destruction in the process. He decides not to judge Vanitas by his own standards, to unlearn everything he thought he knew so far and to learn about Vanitas anew.

The Bell Tower Scene is Vanitas forcibly putting up his walls and Noé tearing them down with this strange mixture of force and tenderness. 

NoĂ© disregards Vanitas wish to part with him. He denies it, saying he can do so because he “doesn’t even like” Vanitas. There is no reason for him to act according to Vanitas’ wishes. He doesn’t owe Vanitas anything.

They are two individuals who just happen to be involved in the same mess.

It’s almost cute when NoĂ© looks at Vanitas and what he thinks next is that the man interests him. He doesn’t understand Vanitas at all – but he wants to.

There is this longing desire to solve the riddle that is the man in front of him. (I’m ace, probably aro, so take this with a grain of salt but to me) The Bell Tower Scene is so inherently romantic. It’s NoĂ© choosing to disregard Vanitas’ flaws and to put aside the things he dislikes about him for a second to instead choose to get to know Vanitas. It will take effort, but he chooses to stay with Vanitas and see everything through to the end. It’s NoĂ© being extremely selfish. He is no longer acting on Sensei’s orders but on his own volition.

And he says as much when he quotes Vanitas’ own words.

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

Is NoĂ© saying he doesn’t like Vanitas here still a lie? Eh. I’d reckon he doesn’t like him all that much yet, still. 

It’s not a matter of NoĂ© disliking Vanitas as a person, I don’t think. It feels a little more like frustration at being unable to wrap his head around this strange person. This frustration that comes with trying and trying and the other party not making it any easier for you.

Vanitas isn’t as open about his feelings as NoĂ© is. He is not opening his heart to the other but keeps him at arm’s length, seemingly only using NoĂ© as his shield, when both the reader and NoĂ©, by now, should know that that is not true. 

And I think NoĂ© is beginning to understand that so much of Vanitas is just an act. I think he’s beginning to understand that he wants to know what – who – Vanitas is beneath all these masks. Because perhaps NoĂ© thinks he might like who he will get to meet at the end of that long, arduous journey.

NoĂ© is gambling. Perhaps he’s being a little childish. He doesn’t like him – yet. But one day he might.

On another day I will talk about how this major turning point in their relationship is literally followed by NoĂ© asking Vanitas about romantic love and then lamenting Vanitas and Jeanne’s relationship and lusting for Vanitas’ blood but – not today. There’s so much to unpack here.

Just this much: The Ball ends with a set-up that is so blunt and ambiguous that MochiJun cannot really do anything with it other than to include its payoff later in the story.

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

In my previous post I talked about how this sentence doesn’t make much sense if it’s just alluding to NoĂ© falling for either Domi or Jeanne in the future. The buildup isn’t there and nothing in the scene properly suggests that NoĂ© has eyes for anyone but Vanitas during the ball. The scene even goes so far as to refer back to Noé’s resolution that occurred during the Bell Tower scene. He once again acknowledges that he doesn’t understand Vanitas at all. It feels, if anything, like another affirmation that he doesn’t understand – but he wants to.

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

A/N: The English translation seems to have turned it into “I really don’t understand him at all” or something along those lines when NoĂ© actually just acknowledges that “There are so many things I don’t understand”. It’s more ambiguous and probably doesn’t refer solely to Vanitas but rather to his own lack of knowledge on (romantic) love.

The Catacombs Arc and the GĂ©vaudan Arc follow but for brevity’s sake, I will fast forward to the cafĂ© talk Vincent, uh, Vanitas has with Roland Olivier after the GĂ©vaudan Arc ends.

There is absolutely no reason for NoĂ© to be present in this scene. There is no reason for him to overhear Vanitas admit to his self-hatred and self-loathing. “But he is the narrator!” Hush, child, I do not have the time to cover this today. (We are being shown /so many/ scenes in which NoĂ© isn’t physically present. NoĂ© not being at the scene of crime has never stopped MochiJun from showing us certain scenes. Why should this one be different?)

But NoĂ© is there. He overhears their talk and is seemingly affected by Vanitas’ words. It’s an interesting choice on MochiJun’s part that we don’t get any internal monologue here. NoĂ© simply learns about it. He looks surprised, sure, but there is no grand reaction and no attempt of him trying to verbalize his feelings after having overheard this grand revelation about Vanitas as a person. He chases Vanitas home, afterwards, and is there for him. The whole “throwing a blanket on someone affectionately” ironically feels a lot like Vanitas’ love language. But NoĂ© wouldn’t be NoĂ© if he didn’t verbalize his feelings. – and verbalize he does.

He muses about the butterfly effect and how everything could have been so different if Vanitas had not been himself. After learning about Vanitas’ self-hatred he affirms Vanitas’ entire being. It is not a die-hard effort of encouraging Vanitas to love himself. NoĂ© doesn’t go down the road of pressuring Vanitas into dubious positivity and self-love.

But he takes the time to make Vanitas realize that who he is good. That who he is, is enough.

(If that’s not love then I do not know what is.)

Something is worth mentioning here, though. NoĂ© is extremely cautious about not drastically changing the course of their relationship. He keeps their usual bickering and banter in check by reassuring Vanitas that he “still doesn’t like him”. If NoĂ© repeats this, and Vanitas knows this, then nothing has to change. If NoĂ© doesn’t like Vanitas, if they still don’t like each other, then that intimate declaration of Noé’s just now has no Earth-shattering impact. Then nothing has to change.

But something has changed. 

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

I’m not an Art Major (Japanology and Music, actually) but I think the juxtaposition with the Bell Tower Scene is quite interesting. Even the reverse confession in Chapter 2, if you think about it. Before, when we had these major turning points in their relationship they were physically close. Together in more or less enclosed spaces. But here there is quite a lot of distance between them. And it’s interesting to note that NoĂ© puts it there.

Usually Vanitas is the one who runs and seeks to put distance between himself and whatever distresses him. He seeks escape on the roof. But this time, it’s NoĂ© who leaps onto the roof below as he pours his heart out. Is it to protect himself from this vulnerability? Or is it to make Vanitas more comfortable? Is he trying to hide from the man he is being so intimate with? Or is he giving Vanitas room to escape if he needs to? 

I can’t answer this. I don’t know if I want to.

NoĂ© still doesn’t like Vanitas. He says as much. But this time, it’s a lie. An obvious one.  Like. Look at that cocky grin.

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

Now he knows what Vanitas’ inside looks like. At the ball, Vanitas had already told him that he has no interest in any person that would ever fall for him.  But now NoĂ© knows that this feeling is born from intense self-hatred. NoĂ© isn’t stupid. Quite the opposite. I think we can all acknowledge how emotionally intelligent NoĂ© is.

He likes Vanitas. He knows that now. Or at least he doesn’t not like him. But he also knows that if he acknowledged that fact verbally he would scare Vanitas off.

And that is the last thing NoĂ© wants to do. He wants to keep Vanitas close. It’s the selfish wish he has, which has been established in the Bell Tower Scene.

We could argue that all this culminates in the “I will never set you free” scene. People have elaborated on this one and have written essays on it and this is already ridiculously long, so I won’t do this here.

But this is NoĂ© promising Vanitas eternity. The tiny glimpse of it they’ll have, anyway. It’s a threat as much as it is an oath.

It is Noé outright admitting what he has been scared to admit to before. He likes Vanitas. Loves him, even. 

Love comes in many forms. And this is one of them. 

Vanoé: A Love Confession In Sheep's Clothing

But, personally, I think this isn’t the payoff of the reverse love confession as much as it is a checkpoint. NoĂ© said it himself. He wouldn’t come to realize the true meaning behind his heart racing that night until much later.

I have a feeling MochiJun will explicitly tell us when that time has come. For all we know, it might not come until much later. Maybe after Vanitas has died.

“But, why do you call it a reverse love confession? Why love?” Glad you asked!

Because we already established that “suki” is not limited to platonic feelings. People confess to their crushes with “suki”. If you turned someone down who confessed to you, you could say what NoĂ© said: そんăȘă«ć„œăă§ăŻă‚ă‚ŠăŸă›ă‚“ă€‚

This, paired with NoĂ© asking about romantic love, the ambiguous ending to the ball scene AND NoĂ© thirsting after Vanitas(‘ blood)? Reads like a perfect buildup for a love story. 

However unrequited it might be.

And after all, MochiJun did say that she wanted to write more about love. Maybe she decided to write about more than just one love story.

3 months ago

Xue yang: just give me 4 minutes and I swear all them little curls are gonna be straightened when I have done with your ass

Song lan: why you texting my man

Xue yang: why you responding when you know I wasn't talking to you


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3 weeks ago

Jin Guangyao: Of course I have a lot of pent-up rage, you fool! I've been the same height since I was twelve!

4 months ago

Nie Mingjue : Arguing with me is pointless I knew I was wrong 10 minutes ago


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