Steve Rogers - Blog Posts

My question is: what is Steve Rogers’s body count? … We don’t talk about that a lot because he’s an American Hero ™ and American Heroes don’t ever actually kill people even when they’re, you know, soldiers in the actual fucking Army.  The American Hero has to show mercy and give everybody a second chance and any time the Bad Guy dies, it has to be because he made a mistake that lead to his own death.  The hero can never actually just fucking murder him in our stories because that would be wrong and a true American would never do something like that.

So, like, has Steve Rogers ever shot a dude in the face?  Has he ever snapped anybody’s neck?  Has he ever been struggling for his own life and used his shield to take a life?

If you have either canon comics knowledge or just Opinions and Feelings, please feel free to share.  Because, like, dude was a soldier in WWII on the European Front fighting Nazis, kicking open doors with gun literally blazing, so he’s obviously killed people, but we never discuss this.  How does Steve reconcile killing?  Does he feel guilt?  Is he comfortable with his actions?  Has he killed people since he got pulled out of the ice?  How does he feel about taking human lives?  Does he talk to anybody about it?  Does he just internalize it and let it eat him up inside?

even just in the platonic sense the steve bucky dynamic has so untapped potential that marvel continuously lets go to waste by letting them say one line to each other per movie. srsly tho!!!! these bitches are early childhood friends. they legitimately know everything about each other. they’ve seen each other at high points low points what the fuck pal??? points, they know every embarrassing story by heart, they must have so many inside jokes, nothing is weird for them. they can be brutally horribly rudely honest with one another & get away with it. They fight , physically and verbally, and will knock sense into each other. or!! on the flip side they come up with the stupidest shit and get each other in trouble on purpose. the interactions are endless and unique and marvel is ridiculous to not make use of this. their default emotion/friendship setting is not pain!!!!

Pride Steve 2019 Redraw – [Etsy] 

Anyways, according to Agents of Shield, Steve spent a few weeks after defrosting in "one of Fury's old retreats," "a safehouse for people with powers" AKA a cabin by a lake in the middle of nowhere.

A metal part of the wall looks like someone punched it.

I'm sure Steve had an amazing time.

Starfalls. Again-

This time the endgame version, which I was inspired by while reading the fanfic. I just started thinking about what Steve ended up going through during Infinity War. Lost Bucky again, unable to save him. Lost new friends. For five years. According to Steve's inner clock, he only loses Bucky for two years the first time. And here...five years? Oh-

Then he loses Natasha, his last close friend. Yes, after that everyone who was turned to dust returned, but in the end Tony died. Therefore, a picture where Steve can finally allow himself to collapse. Release the burden of emotions. Mourning and at the same time relief that his Bucky is alive.

There..there are a lot of emotions there, really...

Oh and I enjoyed drawing this-- although I've gotten really into rendering again, I...yeah, I'm starting to feel more confident in drawing people. :']

t-e-a-m

The best example of the gulf between Nat and Steve that neither of them see is that Steve would absolutely not read Nat’s file that she shared with the world post-SHIELD, to prove that his friendship with her, and Nat would absolutely assume that Steve had read her file, to prove his friendship with her.

And both of them would assume that the other understood exactly the right choice and acted accordingly, and never even think to discuss it.

Because friendship.

I previously mentioned the Internet Movie Firearms Database in my journal. Full credit for the information in this post goes to the IMFDB editors who contributed to its entry on Captain America: The First Avenger.

Steve’s main weapon is a Colt M1911A1 pistol. In some scenes, he’s shown with an M1928A1 Thompson submachine gun.

Peggy’s preferred sidearm is a Walther PPK. In the final attack on the HYDRA base, she wields an M1928A1 Thompson submachine gun.

Bucky uses a customized, scoped M1941 Johnson rifle to snipe. In a deleted scene, before his capture by HYDRA, he uses an M1903A1 Springfield rifle with a scope.

Gabe’s main weapon is a Browning M1919A4 machine gun.

Morita’s main weapon is an M3/M3A1 “Grease Gun,” a submachine gun.

Dum Dum’s main weapon is a Winchester Model 1897 “Trench” shotgun.

Falsworth and Dernier’s main weapons are Sten MkII submachine guns.

I just had a thought on Steve’s initial argument against the Accords.

What if they send us somewhere we don’t wanna go?

What if they don’t send us somewhere we think we should be?

He already had a point in his life when he knew he could be helping the people who needed it, but was limited to a star-spangled costume and jaunty theme tune. He’s been put on the bench before, and he’s seen people he cared about suffer because of it. If they’d let him out sooner, maybe Bucky and his unit would never have been captured. Maybe Bucky would never have been tortured and hurt and made into Zola’s plaything.

Given the war that Steve fought in, and given that he saw how America hung back until Pearl Harbour happened, I don’t imagine he’s ignorant about how they could end up being put on the shelf while conflicts raged, until they were absolutely necessary. On top of that, he has watched his identity as Cap be used for politicking, to sell war bonds, to encourage patriotism and all that jazz, even after his death.

And here’s a thought: Tony was the one who created and unleashed his weapons on the world. Steve was one of those weapons. It’s the difference between being the seller and being the product. Tony sees it as a quality control. Steve sees it as losing his autonomy and becoming that dancing monkey again.

all this interesting meta on disability going round lately has me thinking about Steve and Bucky and disability 

so here are some varied thoughts/questions about things I don’t really see much in fic/meta: 

Steve spent much longer as a disabled person than an enhanced person so he’d probably have a lot of habits or patterns of thinking that revolve around the disabilities he no longer has, eg: 

waking up every morning bracing for the moment of ‘okay, which of the things is bothering me today?’ and it doesn’t come

spring / big open grassy spaces (like parks) are a problem because of pollen; animals are a hazard because of allergies; fall/winter is a problem because of heating and colds and flu and slippery sidewalks; beaches are good because no pollen but bad because shirtlessness; crowds are bad because of his hearing, and so on. 

Would he still avoid all these environments without realising he’s doing it, or deliberately seek them out because now he can? 

how long after serum did it take for Steve to stop trying to wedge himself into spaces that pre-serum him could fit? 

I’ve long headcanoned that the reason Steve leans on things is because he’s subconsciously still resting a back that no longer needs to be rested. 

(Ditto for why he cocks his head; he’s channelling sound to his ‘good’ ear.) 

if you think about the aspect of disability as a form of living in a world that is not designed/adapted for you to easily navigate, then do both Steve and Bucky, despite being super, still fall into that category? 

Everything around them, that was not made for them, was made for people of a different size and strength than them. So there might be all kinds of adaptations they have to improvise to make their environment livable; like reinforcements of furniture, doors, shelves, drawers, cupboards, eating utensils, vehicles, clothing, weapons. 

(Imagine being so strong that every tube of toothpaste bursts in your hand, door knobs just come off, and every pedal in a car seems to be on a hair trigger.) 

How are you supposed to use a car when there’s a chance you might accidentally rip the steering wheel off? (HILARIOUS, yes, but seriously!) 

How many towels and pieces of clothing have Steve and Bucky torn? 

What about art? Does Steve need metal handles on his brushes and pencils? Firmer brushes or softer? Thicker paper/canvas? 

What about touchscreen technology? How do they not crack screens? 

What about the bed. How does a bog standard flimsy ikea bed survive two enhanced men using it? For purposes.  

As the friend of someone who was once also smaller, weaker, and slower than him, Bucky might have an easier time handling this ‘everything is small and flimsy’ environment than Steve (it might be like living in pre-serum’s Steve apartment.) 

if you headcanon that they both have enhanced hearing and sight, too, then would they also be sensitive to, eg. noise pollution in a way un-enhanced people aren’t? 

Do they have to have extra soundproofing? Ear plugs at night? Avoid crowds? Is the city a difficult environment for that reason? 

If they have enhanced sight, does that mean they can perceive dirt and dust more acutely than a normal person? Are they assiduous in cleaning because of this, or lax because living in dirt and dust can’t harm them the way it can a normal person? 

(Do those two things cancel out? To them it looks like they’re living in a mildly grotty environment but to non-enhanced people it looks spotless? Would them both coming from being in a neat military environment affect this too?)

What about taste/smell? Can they detect chemicals in modern foods that wouldn’t bother an unenhanced person? Do they have to alter their diet to account for that, or again, are they indifferent because those chemicals can’t harm them? 

Would Bucky have diet problems after Hydra? (What was the Soldier’s feeding regimen?)

Sound is one of the common anxiety attack triggers for vets with PTSD, so how would they navigate that + enhanced hearing? 

Speaking of mental disability, hyperarousal is another common side effect of CPTSD - so how would Bucky and/or Steve handle that when their very senses are themselves hyper? 

Flashbacks are another problem for PTSD sufferers, so what are their triggers and how do they each navigate that? 

(If Steve’s bad associations are all from WWII, does that mean old things are dicey for him? If Bucky was tortured in a reclining chair, does he have a problem with modern recliners, or environments with those kinds of chairs, like dentists and hair dressers?) 

And about Bucky’s arm: 

does he experience phantom pain? problems with proprioception? if it’s a removable prosthetic does the join cause pain/irritation?

does he learn how to do things one handed just in case? Consciously or unconsciously? 

does he buy things adapted for one-handed use? 

does he ever forget one of his hands is stronger than the other and damage things because of it? 

does he alter things to be reinforced on the left side? (Does this make them unusable for Steve?) 

How do people treat Bucky now that he has a visible disability? 

does he hide it because of how people treat him, or because it outs him as the Winter Soldier, or both? 

how does he feel about having to hide a disability for that reason? 

does he use disabled services (bathrooms, parking spots) and get shit from karens for not ‘looking’ disabled? 

how does he feel about other disabled people, now? 

given that most people don’t have super hi-tech prostheses like him, how do other disabled people feel about/treat him, especially if they’re poor/er? 

how do he and Steve feel about disability representation, now? 

imagine if the avengers had actually discussed the plan for more than an hour, and found out from nebula that you have to sacrifice what you love most to get the soul stone (basically a soul for a soul), and steve volunteered himself for the mission. face to face with the red skull, he’s asked if he’s willing to make the sacrifice, to lose what’s important to him. steve replies, “go ahead and try. i’ve already lost everything else.” after its done, steve just laughs and says, “that’s all?”

& steve makes it back alive with the stone. he makes it back to the avengers compound. they don’t recognize him at first, but once they see past the change in structure and size, its obvious. they ask what happened, and he replies “a soul for a soul”. he gave up captain america, let him go once and for all, and that was enough.  

Can we talk about how Steve Rogers would probably fight to keep abortion legal and safe, because he saw how many people used to die back in the day because all abortions were illegal and unsafe and he knows if a person is pregnant and don’t want to be pregnant they will find a way to not be pregnant?

Can we talk about Steve Rogers telling off right wing politicians who say minimum wage isn’t supposed to be a living wage? Can we have him saying ‘No, I remember when it was instituted. It was supposed to be a living wage, senator.’

Can we talk about Steve Rogers supporting a raise in SNAP benefits, because he knows how it feels to go hungry?

Can we talk about Steve Rogers having problems with this country’s military industrial complex?

“Everybody makes sacrifices for this lifestyle, Mr. Sam.” Peter says solemnly.

Sam gapes at him. “Sacrifices? I was an international fugitive for this ‘lifestyle’. I was on the run for months for this ‘lifestyle’. The Winter f-ing Soldier drop-kicked me off a helicarrier! Your underdeveloped teenage brain has no idea what I’ve put up with for this ‘lifestyle’!"

“Great, so a bunny shouldn’t be too much work!”

In which the Winter Soldier blows up Fury's phone and ops for code over interpretive dance.

Sam Wilson and the Art of Moving On as an International Fugitive

“No, YOU move.” By Tom Hodges. Prints available here.

So this is very random and more or less a 'crack treated seriously' idea but I keep thinking of it every time I listen to the Captain America movie soundtracks.

AU where the serum gives Steve the ability to hear the 'soundtrack' around him. Of course he doesn't tell anyone because it'd make him look like he's crazy but he slowly catches on to what seems to be happening.

He picks up the USO dances really fast

He legendary at knowing when something bad is going to happen because he can hear the boss music

He's unconsciously good at timing his 'heroic' moves and moments since he can hear the pace pick up

He can vibe check someone instantly

Just imagine:

Steve on a mission with the Commandos: *Hydra music starts playing*

Steve: Ah, great we got company

Commandos: ???

Steve in the car with Natasha and Sam: *Winter Soldier track starts playing*

Steve: oh no

Everyone: How do you always get so pumped up for missions?

Steve: *bopping along to the action music*

*Pierce's character gets introduced with concerning undertones in the orchestra*

Steve: I don't like you

Steve in the elevator with the STRIKE team: *ominous music growing*

Steve: sigh

Did they ever reveal how Captain America was thawed? Because I’m picturing a bunch of Shield agents with hair dryers and I don’t think that’s quite right.

“wanda, just like we practiced!” aka bring your kid to work day i drew these two a lot after civil waR

shove it, sir

civil war mini comics: 1/?

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Sometimes I remember it's Canon that SHIELD isolated Steve alone in a cabin surrounded by a laser fence for at least two weeks at some point soon after he came out if the ice and I just want to *scream*

Honestly, I don't think at any point Steve and Tony were friends. Maybe some comradery between allies but never true friends. But it is kinda funny to imagine that Tony is so used to his friends, Pepper, Rhodie and Happy staring at him with dead inside eyes constantly annoyed with antics that he didn't understand that when it came to Steve that wasn't a friendship when he did it

I'm now imagining Steve rolling his eyes and giving him that Disappointed Rogers™ look and Stark thinking they're now friends because everyone in his life has the same reaction to his bullshit 😂

They were never friends and I don't care what the Russos tried to claim in CW and subsequent movies. "He's my friend" - "So was I". Uh... when? When he kept the truth about Ultron? When he kept discussing his experience during the invasion as if the rest of the team hadn't been there too and were probably traumatized by it as well? When he made jokes at Steve's expense even though he had just been out of the ice for a couple weeks? When he refused to listen to him in the airport in Germany? When he declined to inform him of the Accords even though he knew about them beforehand and knew Steve, as an enhanced, would be directly targeted by them? When he almost murdered Bucky because he wanted to hurt Steve?

And those are only a few, there are more. I don't see a friendship there.

A point could be made that this is true for the entire Avengers team. TWS was a breath of fresh air as it gave us Steve, Nat and Sam as a group of actual friends and that was carried out until the end (even though I'm still pissed that Sam is not allowed to say anything about Nat, he never mentions her, I don't like that). But the others? Besides Steve and Bucky, the other relationships are romances: Wanda and Vis, Clint and Laura, Nat and Bruce. Thor seemed somewhat closer to Steve than anyone else but they never quite explored that -- which is a huge shame because in the comics they're AMAZING.

With Steve and Stark we're told they were friends and EG tries to paint them even closer but that's utter bullshit. They were co-workers who tolerated each other only when they needed to. I mean, who was Steve hanging out with at the party in AoU? Sam and Thor.

imagine coming out of an ice-induced, 70 year coma then being hired by the us government to fight aliens and one of your coworkers was the most insufferable, entitled billionaire who constantly made jokes about your past without knowing anything about you and you weren’t allowed to knock him out bc it’d be an HR nightmare.. yea i’d start jumping out of planes without a parachute too

the thing about “angry chihuahua” pre-serum steve is that on a vacuum, I get why people like it? like it’s cute, smol steve being angry and sassy, it’s funny, not everything in fandom has to be 100% serious and angst-driven etc etc, i understand that

but at the same time… it bothers me so much because it’s just. so. condescending. like… “awww look at this poor disabled man thinking he can stand up to people, haha, so adorable, thank god he has bucky around to keep him alive!111!”. 

(i don’t want to get too much into how this devalues the stucky dynamic bc i don’t even go here, but bucky! respected! pre-serum steve! immensely!! he didn’t see him as a reckless idiot who needed him to survive! it’s like people take the “the little guy from brooklyn who was too dumb not to run away from a fight” quote and only remember this part and forget the rest, the most important part, “I’M FOLLOWING HIM”! bucky knows pre-serum steve was way more of a hero than some dude dressed as the american flag shooting a fake gun at movies!!! that’s the POINT!!)

it’s just so… dismissive of steve’s bravery and cleverness. people take ONE scene in the first avenger where steve gets into a fight he’s clearly not going to win, ignoring that a) the framing of the moment when the guy stands up and steve’s face makes very clear that he KNOWS he’s in trouble, he has no delusions about ACTUALLY being able to win the fight; b) the dude is being an asshole and disrespecting others in the theater and steve! gets! him! to stop!!!! The guy LEAVES to beat him up in the alley, thus accomplishing the main point of Steve’s intervention, aka to let the grieving lady watch the tribute to the troops in peace. 

and that’s like… THE ONLY TIME IN THE MOVIE where pre-serum steve does something like this. right on the first enlistment scene, some dude is clearly trying to tease him with the “makes you think twice about enlisting, huh?” talk, and steve just goes “nope” and IGNORES THE GUY AND DOESN’T TAKE THE BAIT. because it doesn’t matter! it’s just some dumbass who isn’t threatening anyone! steve doesn’t need to get into a fight because someone is underestimating him - if he did, he’d fight with everyone all the time, because guess what, as a disabled man in the 40s, steve is barely considered an actual man. there’s a LEGITIMATE scientific view in this time period that argues that people like him should be murdered at birth. he KNOWS how he’s perceived. he’s aware. when he’s talking to the doctor, he’s not brattish - he asks give me a chance and is there anything you can do?. his tone in the latter line specifically is TIRED, not defiant. 

and then!! the One Scene apparently everyone who thinks pre-serum steve was a moron with a macho complex didn’t watch: the training montage! where that hodge guy deliberately fucks with the barbed wire just to get in steve’s way and STEVE! DOESN’T! REACT!!!!!!!! he just grits his teeth and tries to keep going and the officer has to be like “rogers take this rifle out of the mud”. there’s no indication that steve EVER tried to fight this guy in the movie, despite the fact that he’s constantly shown laughing/bullying steve during the training. why? because it’d be a pointless fight to pick. it’d be a fight picked out of nothing but pride and steve can’t afford to do that. he stands up for what’s right, not for everything and anything that pisses him off.

it frustrates me that people don’t seem to get this because it’s like… the very core of steve’s character. he’s not a wannabe bully. he’s kind and polite to others (meeting peggy, talking to dr. eskrine. eskrine isn’t just impressed by the “i don’t like bullies” moment, he’s clearly also very pleased by the fact steve doesn’t show prejudice against him for being german). the only moment where he adopts a “fight me” posture that gets him in actual trouble, it’s to protect and help others who can’t stand up for themselves. i get that in theory the idea of smol bean steve fighting everything and everyone might sound fun, but in reality, a person who craves violence and sees it as a prime way to achieve their goals is the opposite of who steve rogers is meant to be.

(and that’s not even getting into when people write POST-serum steve with this “fight me” attitude which is like… how… do you think… that’d be ok… how do you not see a difference between a ninety-pound disabled man and a literal supersoldier trying to intimidate people physically… which part of “a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows compassion” you didn’t understand…)

so imo, this characterization weakens not only steve’s character, but his arc, and even the story of tfa as a whole? the serum works on steve because he’s already a noble, brave, good man. if he was an asshole who bites off people’s hand for looking at him wrong, none of this would make sense. by this logic, eskrine might have as well picked hodge.

The person who figured out the actor who played Pierce looked like Steve when he was younger and created the head canon that HYDRA hired him to be Bucky's handler for that reason has to answer for the pain they have caused

honestly steve deserved to be a little meaner in civil war

“steve you have to sign the accords”

“oh right i totally should sign my rights away to a government who i exposed to have been infiltrated by nazis for DECADES. i’m sure nothing bad will happen if i do that”

“i should let the government dictate my life when all i’ve ever done is save the world by going AGAINST the government. sounds like a great plan”

like t0ny stans love to say he was being horribly selfish and mean in civil war, which he… wasn’t, but i think he should have been

C’mon Infinity War, please, these two should only love each other :D

The reunion that we need :’3

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sorry for waitin’ my friend <3 i hope you like it